3. Subscribe for as little as $5/mo to start commenting on Rods blog. I've heard of Dan Souza, but that's about all. We were, I suppose, fundamentalist with evangelical highlights. Select your instrument according to the child's size. He and his wife have six grown children and thirteen grandchildren. She gave me a five-minute counseling session and told me she would have to tell Pastor Schaap and the nurse, inform the doctor. You gave. Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world. I surrendered to preach, and was called to the Lord's ministry as a result of growing up in an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church. You have all the information you need to attack me for making this statement, but I assure you that there is very little left to attack. NOT so that we can all march over there and say "huzzah! Born Again Barbarian 48.1K subscribers Subscribe 252 15K views 5 years ago The practices of the IFB movement are only a few hundred. This list also sounds similar to what Adventists practiced. First Baptist Church of Glenarden 4.5. Excerpt: Stories like that display a Roman Catholic problem, right? I escaped when I was about 20 and went to the world. 5.) For a sense of what this second-degree or double-separation means, think of Bob Jones dismissive definition of an evangelical: Someone who says to a liberal: Ill call you a Christian if you call me a scholar. Thou shalt wear the sweatshirts & caps of your favorite basketball team; they are only evil & worldly if you choose to go to college there. Memo to former Evangelicals: be like Kathy. If you have to sit on him to spank him then do not hesitate. Answer (1 of 7): >> Why are Baptist Churches so legalistic? Beside the fact that you were likely born into IFB and so never chose to believe anything about it one way or another, your allegiance to IFB means nothing more than that you love. Though not all in the movement look the same, the Duggars showcase several theological and cultural distinctives common among independent fundamental Baptists: adhering to strict biblical inerrancy, usually based exclusively on the King James Version (KJV); homeschooling; abstaining from pop culture as entertainment; and dressing modestly. I wondered how in the world that man could look at his wife much less have sex with her because why would you defile such a woman who looked so sheepish and innocent!! Homosexuals are evil perverts who despise God and should be kept away from society generally and children especially. I had the pleasure of hearing Dr. Roberson, a couple of times, when I was in College! This is especially important, since the pastor needs his bodyguard detail rotated every so often. 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Dont Dress Like a Whore if You Dont Want to Get Sexually Assaulted Says Lori Alexander, Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager, Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman, Thou shalt obey your parents at all times, Thou shalt obey the police and government unless the pastor says it is a sin against God to do so, Thou shalt give a faith promise missionary offering, Thou give an offering any time the pastor says God is saying to collect a special offering, Thou shalt attend church every time the doors are open, Thou shalt pray for every meal, but ice cream at Dairy Queen after church requires no prayer, Thou shalt only use the King James Bible 1611 edition which is really the 1769 revision, Thou shalt only use the Scofield King James Bible, Thou shalt not have long hair (over your ears, collar) if you are a man, Thou shalt not have a block cut hairstyle if you are a man, Thou shalt not have facial hair if you are a man, but if you are a woman you can have facial hair, Thou shalt not have tattoos unless you have prison tats from your life before Christ, Thou shalt not take the hem out of your Levi jeans or alter your clothing in any way so that you look worldly, Thou shalt not wear pants (britches) if you are a woman, Thou shalt not wear shorts, but a woman can wear Baptist shorts also known as culottes, Thou shalt not expose any flesh if you are a woman, especially your thighs, breasts, or back, Thou shalt only wear dresses with hemlines below the knees if you are a woman, Thou shalt not have any physical contact with the opposite sex if you are unmarried, Thou shalt not have more than one hole in each ear if you are a woman, Thou shalt not pierce any body part except your ear, and then only if you are a woman, Thou shalt not watch TV, but if you are a carnal Christian and must watch TV thou shalt only watch, Thou shalt not go to the movie theater, but using streaming services is okay, Thou shalt always have tracts in your shirt pocket or purse, ready to evangelize at a moments notice, Thou shalt drive a car with church advertising stickers, IFB cliches, or Bible verses attached to the bumper, Thou shalt park down the street when visiting the local strip club or whore house lest the pastor know you are there and stay away, Thou shalt not listen to secular music, especially rock music, which is from the pit of hell, Thou shalt not listen to contemporary Christian music (CCM), Thou shalt not drink fermented alcohol after all, Jesus drank Welchs grape juice, Thou shalt not cuss, but saying darn, shoot, crap, freaking, and fudge are okay, Thou shalt not date non-Independent Baptist girls or boys, Thou shalt not have any non-Independent Baptist friends, Thou shalt home school your children or send them to a Christian school, Thou shalt only read pastor-approved Christian books, Thou shalt only believe what the pastor says you are to believe, Thou shalt say you have victory over sin, even if you are lying, Thou shalt adhere to the perception is reality rule, Thou shalt send your kids to the same Christian college the pastor went to, Thou shalt leave the church if you commit adultery, get a divorce, or get pregnant outside of marriage, Thou shalt believe everything the pastor says even when you are certain he is lying, speaking evangelistically, or embellishing his illustrations, Thou shalt wear a bra if you are a woman, and it can only be a white, underwire bra, Thou shalt not mix bathe (Baptist for swimming with the opposite sex), Thou shalt not go to amusement parks unless the youth group is going, Thou shalt not show emotion unless praising Jesus from 10:00 am to noon on Sunday or giving a testimony during Sunday evening service, Thou shalt say AMEN during at the appropriate time during the pastors sermon, especially when he shouts, pounds the pulpit, or performs gymnastics, Thou shalt not be angry even though the pastor is allowed to be angry, but thats because his anger is righteous anger, Thou shalt be for what the pastor is for and against what the pastor is against, because if you dont, a bear might come out of the woods and eat you, Thou shalt ignore any science that contradicts the Bible, Thou shalt never try to fix your own problems because the pastor is the official fixer of all problems, Thou shalt takes notes on the sermon even if the rabbit wanders five miles off the trail or the sermon is incoherent, Thou shalt always tell the pastor what a wonderful sermon he preached, even when you have no idea what he was talking about, Thou shalt always tell Sister Bertha what a wonderful job she did with her off-key rendition of, Thou shalt not use canned (taped) music for music specials. The Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination paints a picture of God also as one who is a military leader, unhappy with all the disobedience happening among his people and patiently waiting for when he can punish us and correct our deviant behavior. God's Grace bible study podcast is a Independent Fundamental Baptist pobcast we use the KJV 1611 only. For the sake of consistency in training, you must follow through. As a transgender woman, I find that interesting, to say the least! Way over the edge. I sometimes post on another board and (hopefully its ok) I would like to link a thread that is going on over there. I cant for the life of me understand why, disgruntled as you are, you would go out of your way to take a personal hand in someones trip to eternal punishment. You love passionately, deeply and inexorably. They preferred to remain ignorant of evidence suggesting that something in the air around the plant was giving them cancer. But what of the grouch who would rather complain than sleep? By entering your email and clicking Sign Up, you're agreeing to let us send you customized marketing messages about us and our advertising partners. And while we only memorized verses in the King James Version and lots of them and used the KJV in Sunday services, we were also allowed and even encouraged to read the NIV and other more accessible translations. The investigation is ongoing. Jerry Falwell, the founder of Liberty University, came out of this tradition, but he was quicklydisownedby his fellow separatist Baptists when he decided to get involved in politics. Glory to God alone. This is a difficult question to answer because IFB is not a denomination, and each church is independent, but there are Fundamentalist fellowships and congresses which have met on rare occasion and have mentioned Calvinism. You brought the goods to the table. It uses the Bible to "treat" everything from porn addiction to drug addiction. All articles free to share and God bless! Today, the independents are separating, even among themselves, over issues such as Bible translations, music style, and dress. The church I grew up in dwelt somewhere in that space. The submissiveness of women to their husbands can be found here which is not only present in churches, this is a cultural phenomenon which also impacts the faith. The central role of white supremacy explicit and implicit in the independent fundamentalist Baptist movement deserves more study and more insight than I can easily provide. So there is some good to the IFB movement. And when you cant question your leaders, weve seen it in politics, you know what happens. Single. Thou shalt not look at pornography, and if thou dost thou shalt delete thy browsing history so thy wife of thy youth dost not find it, and thou shalt confess thy sins at the alter on Sunday morning.Thou canst repeat this cycle each week for the lord hast made provision for modern man if he dost confess his sins before god each day and every Sunday. Scripture alone. The Star-Telegram discovered at least 412 allegations of sexual misconduct in 187 independent fundamental Baptist churches and their affiliated institutions, spanning 40 states and Canada. Their page says "Our church is a friendly fundamental Bible-believing Independent Baptist . For this reason IFB churches vigorously renounce the idea that IFB constitutes a denomination: each church, they hold, is a kingdom unto itself and obliged to cooperate with exactly no other church body, IFB or otherwise. Thanks! They didn't give over their will over to God. Independent Baptists are not part of any denominational organization, such as the Southern Baptist Convention. A friendly fellowship group for members of local New Testament Independent Baptist churches. Memo to Kathy: fuck off. READ THE REST OF THE SERIES: Part 1: Southern Baptist sexual abuse spreads as leaders reject reforms. May 27, 2011 -- Ernest Willis, a New Hampshire man accused of raping and fathering a child with a 15-year-old girl . But we need YOUR help to make this project successful! It is therefore literally true that God created the world in six 24-hour days; Satan is real, the enemy of God, and the instigator of all false religions; the theory of evolution is unscriptural and therefore without merit; hell is a real place where all who die without having accepted Christ as their Savior suffer consciously being roasted alive for eternity, and so on. But Black Baptists reject the MAGA revolution that has taken the GOP, and the SBC, by storm. We were informed that the parishioners felt so strongly that they would protest in front of the Archdiocese for the return of their priest, he said. I've been looking for a church that does baptisms and a church up the road does them. Then Hyles would yell from the pulpit that If the barn needed paintingand the men would hoopla with their Bibles waving in the air. 6.) I went with you to Fundamentalist and Fresh Oil conferences, Pastors' School, Missions, and Youth Conferences. She then administers [to a three-year-old] about ten slow, patient licks on his bare legs. So hard to tell if it is a cult. Every church we went to was full of fucking pedophiles and rapists. The website, New IFB Singles, is a ministry of Veracity Baptist Church and is lead by New . Even though its hard to get much farther on the theological spectrum from Catholicism than an independent fundamental Baptist church, this is exactly what happened in the Catholic Church. They would rather believe a lie that upholds their comfortable lives than face a truth that challenges it. They kept what worked for them. And what can possibly be more worthy of a person's love than God and family? Perhaps the most well-known Independent Fundamentalist Baptists today are the Duggars, the quiverfull family made famous by the reality show19 Kids and Counting. I pray for all of you. My religious upbringing was pretty bizarre, but this stuff? There are a lot more where these came from, lmao . But, I have a few, from the legendary Dr Bob of Longview: Thou shalt watch football on Monday night. No compromise. He is the man of God who speaks for God. Or their kids just went to Rutgers, but with the assurance that they would be faithful members of a Campus Crusade chapter there. Its pastor is divinely appointed and accountable to no earthly authority. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. If you're unfamiliar with the beliefs and practices of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, some of them are: IFBs also generally believe that the will of a child must be broken before it ever has a chance to develop: a fussing or crying baby is exerting its selfish will. If he continues to show defiance by jerking around and defending himself, or by expressing anger, then she will wait a moment and again lecture him and again spank him. All first-time comments are moderated. They're now playing "Lost in the Supermarket" in the supermarket. I was in the Christian church for 50 years. In Christ alone. Are you saying Paul and Jesus are legalists? See where Im going with this? A case in which an adult woman publicly accused a prominent pastor of having manipulated her at age 16 into giving him oral sex and having an adulterous relationship: When Giovanelli resigned from Golden State Baptist College after the abuse allegation went viral, the chancellor of the college and the pastor of its affiliated church asked the congregation to pray for the church, the college, and the Giovanelli family. I really want to write a book or start a podcast about all this shit at some point. One particularly painful experience of nursing mothers is the biting baby. Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches Are MODERN Churches! (3) Megachurch leaders face the ordinary temptations but also extraordinary pressure to cover up problems, knowing that a sniff of scandal will summon packs of critical reporters. Mullins knew that he had faculty problems, Sampey did, Fuller did, McCall did . A one-foot ruler, or its equivalent in a paddle, is a sufficient alternative. Here has been a few problems that caused divisions in the body of Christ thanks to some Independent Fundamental Baptists: 1.) One of my other professors did allow that saying shoot was okay, as she was used to people from Ohio saying it! Fundies forget that God can do a sudden I have changed my mind crazy Ivan on them at any moment. And may you recognize your error while there is still time. He is supported by the pastor, Greg Neal, and his Twitter feed shows him traveling around the country, welcomed at churches. For decades, women and children have faced rampant sexual abuse while worshiping at independent fundamental Baptist churches around the country. Escape by Carolyn Jessop. I grew up in a similar church. The person should go to the pastor, and the pastor will talk to the offender. The school was run by Lester Roloff, an independent fundamental Baptist preacher who broke from the Southern Baptist Convention in 1954 and founded a series of reform facilities, known as Roloff Homes, for what he called, "parent-hating, Satan-worshiping, dope-taking immoral boys and girls," according to a 2000 investigative report in Texas God has greatly blessed this ministry, which now averages nearly 3,000 a week in attendance. Where you claim what's true. There's something going on that wasn't here before. People who think that sexual abuse and its systematic cover-up is something that happens only in Roman Catholic Churches ought to read this devastating series in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, about how the same thing has been happening in a national network of independent fundamental Baptist churches. Learn More. Let us always bear in mind that the IFB no more represents Christianity than the Taliban represents Islam. For decades, women and children have faced rampant sexual abuse while worshiping at independent fundamental Baptist churches around the country. He and his wife have six grown children and thirteen grandchildren. Cat got his tongue? And they used the best of who you are, and the best of what you have to give, to feed those lies. And hold him there until he is surrendered. And lets not forget the old For him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin catch-all At my IFB church that I grew up in I loved how they used to use that one to justify saying anything they didnt agree with or like was a SIN . Still, Giovanelli found a soft landing at Immanuel Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Florida, where he is an associate pastor and head of the churchs book publication arm. Thus the words "Independent" and "Fundamental . The Lord Jesus Christ Saves - His Plan of Salvatio Real Men Love Pink A Collection of Quotes by A. W. Pink, Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. Thou shalt not work a job as a woman even if thou canst afford the private school and live in a shitty house because your husband spends all his after tax money on the private school and tithing. They controlled the process except for the final approval. Shame on you, sir. The short answer is that going to the movies supported Hollywood. . Thou shalt not have sex with other women in the church but thou canst eye fuck them when they sit in front of you in church, and can corner them after church and have awkwardly flirty conversations with them when they are trying to leave because youre a fucking awkward creep. When it is obvious he is totally broken, she will hand him the rag and very calmly say, "Johnny, clean up your mess.". However there has been quite a problem with some fundamental Baptists. It surrenders far too much to allow that fundamental refers to the core doctrines of the Christian faith. The fundamentals of fundamentalists are mainly not that at all, but rather a host of relatively recent doctrinal innovations, such as inerrancy. I have been independent fundamental Baptist churches since I was four. For a woman to be pleasing to God she must always and in all things remain perfectly submissive, first to her father and then to her husband. New IFB Beliefs. You brought the best of yourself. (2) Evangelical culture has a conference and lecture circuit with celebrities and quasi-celebrities who come to cities for weekend workshops and one-night lectures that provide opportunities to sin and go, leaving behind casualties. Going to the movies could also lead to you having a bad testimony before the world. Its not a good thing.. Contributors control their own work and posted freely to our site. It is a Bible Baptist church. Firstly, I agree with Dr. John R. Rice (1895-1980) that there's no such thing as "The Baptist Church." The Body of Christ is composed of believers from Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist and numerous other Christian denominations. This bit from John Fea is particularly helpful: While neo-evangelicals read periodicals likeChristianity Today, fundamentalist Baptists read John R. RicesThe Sword of the Lord. I started listening to country music, drinking beer, watching movies, and eventually joined the military. Especially about another member of the church, said Josh Elliott, a former member of Vineyards Oklahoma City church. A minority of Baptists contend that Baptist churches originated in the first century, deducing their claim from the fact that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist. al. What the fuck is YOUR problem?? A few members of that church were hard-core, old-school fundies. In surviving the worst, survivors of IFB have become the best. Landover, MD 20785. [8] They refuse any form of ecclesial authority other than that of the local church. (And yes, martial arts are ok, even though they originated from Asian sources; well win those yellow devils to Jesus, eventually). Movement. If you're unfamiliar with the beliefs and practices of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, some of them are: The King James Version is the only true Word of God; all other translations of the Bible are the work of the devil. When in the 1940s and 1950s former fundamentalists such as Billy Graham, Carl F.H. (The mind of an 18 year old girl that had been sort of bad with many boys in high school, shame on me) They also typically teach that the translators of the . And the all important, Thou shalt not, never, under no circumstances, not even in thought, criticize the pastor. Gods anointed, remember! All these Rules have nothing to do with Salvation.Jesus set us free from bondage called Legalism.Galatians5.This There rules but not biblical.This is a system of control its a man made book of rules. If you'd like to see the rest of this post (the whole of which was too large to post here), thank you and it's here. The Black Baptist preachers affiliated with the SBC aren't proclaiming a Black Jesus, railing against white racism, or demanding reparations from white Baptists. Get right, stay right, amen. How I struggled to free myself from this oppressive thinking. The pharmacists priest even told her and her husband to leave the parish, because their presence was causing too much discomfort there. Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Cult Survivors. We will be far too busy with other concerns of self to think about the presence of others we might by then hope would be there with us. It upheld what it believed to be the true spirit of fundamentalism amid changes in the conservative Protestant landscape. It is also my desire that those who have become nonbelievers will respond with a yes to Jesus. Meant to be taken literally, the KJV is inspired, inerrant, infallible, and the supreme and final authority in all things. A god who condemns people to an eternal hell for evil committed during a human lifespan isnt worthy of worship. Amendment though shalt say amen during service but only if you are male. A world where you say what is and isn't good. KJV-onlyism is certainly not a core doctrine of the Christian faith for any Christian who doesnt speak English. 4.) Although the decentralized nature of Protestantism makes statistics very hard to find, weve particularly found opportunities for abuse and cover-ups in three kinds of situations. I may yet end up in Hell myself, but I wont see you there, nor will you see me. I subjected myself to such rules for decades, believing I was obeying God. Landmarkism began as a movement in the mid-1800's mainly in the Southern Baptist Convention. The primary function of a woman is to have children, who then become her mission field. Here are some quotes from the book: Wake up to the day's most important news. Why does Jesus need you to speak for him, Cathy? Please be advised that this rulebook is subject to change at the whim of the pastor. More than 200 people current or former church members, across generations shared their stories of rape, assault, humiliation and fear in churches where male leadership cannot be questioned. I preached over 4,000 sermons. I vaguely recognize some of the standards that you mentioned, but not to the extreme that you have described them. IndependentBaptist.com was founded in an attempt to bring back the principles that lifted our movement in the 60's and 70's and that need to be revived in this day. Jessop is a former member of the FLDS (fundamentalist, polygamist Mormons) and her story has a lot of parallels with Zichterman's. I haven't read this particular FLDS memoir . Its a philosophy its flawed, said Stacey Shiflett, an independent fundamental Baptist pastor in Dundalk, Maryland. And there are Baptist ch. And then theres the OTs 600+ laws, including the Ten Commandments. Thou shalt not ever drink alcohol, unless its done in secret and confessed as sin on Sunday. I got a good laugh reading the list brought back some not so good memories from my time in a IFB church. The message is set. The American Ideas Institute is a nonprofit, non-partisan 501(c)(3) organization based in Washington, D.C. 2022 The American Conservative, a publication of The American Ideas Institute. Other Christians who were once, or who would once have been, clearly a part of the fundamentalist camp Al Mohler, Ken Ham, David Barton, etc. They are going out of their way to send a few to heaven, while you are going out of your way to send a few more to hell. In your cynical statement about the seemingly unseen book of rules, you failed to mention that they ultimately came from a God who loves you, and has your best interest at heart. We were in that same space somewhere between fundamentalism and CT-style evangelicalism that Jerry Falwell Sr. found himself in. You're the power. Accept no conditions for surrender. Get tough. When he got in trouble, Hyles was able to simply move on, from one church assignment to the next. And then the other philosophy is its wrong to say anything bad about another preacher.. KJV was the only Bible in English, and that is the stand I intend to die on. Many watch movies in their home.what is the difference? This list sounds alot like the Mennonite Church rule book. You are also agreeing to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. It's not just Baptist Churches; most organize denominations are in one way or another legalistic.

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