I truly wish customers would do their do diligence before getting fit. Golfers should liken their iron fittings to that of a driver. Epoxy Curing Times for Golf Clubs, Work Life and Shear Strength. Here are some of the facts, and fallacies, about club adjustment. Because of my forward foot was so much above my trail foot, my hands were a good 6" behind the ball, when compared to a level lie. 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, Fitness, maximum efficiency for the time spent. ProV1x-mostly. Clear editor. At a club fitting it was pointed out that I had about a 0 aoa and was launching a bit higher than ideal. This will give you a low-to-mid-range straight shot. The most common complaint I hear from golfers looking for new irons is that all the lofts are jacked strong. If someone is playing an iron set, for instance, from the late 1990s or earlier they will most likely find their irons to be 2-to-3 degrees weaker than todays game-improvement irons, and even some players irons. The bounce on the 3-iron is already 0 degrees, so will bending the club for a stronger loft make the bounce go negative? If you think about it, a flatter lie would be toe down for your swing. That is why getting the numbers is so important. And the opposite is true as the speed drops. Loft and lie changes are more or less permanent. I found it astonishing that by moving my hands that much forward at impact gain nearly 30 yards. Add in the added forgiveness of modern irons, and you have a winning combination. The bounce angle will also change when making the clubs stronger or weaker. As long as the spin rate is acceptable, the new irons, because of their lower center of gravity, are going to produce more speed off the face (due to the lower loft and lower COG) and more distance. 2. Study those players and mimic their set-up and you will take another giant step toward playing better golf. If you're after a driving iron, I would expect you to use it off the tee for the most part. I was wondering if bending my irons 1 to 2 degrees strong at a golf shop will change the playability of the 712 AP2s. I'm fascinated by your basis for changing the lofts? I know for people with slower swing speeds these crazy lofted, ultimate SGI irons are perfect. In the five starts mentioned above, the St. Simons resident has some impressive first round finishes. A standard golf shop, or fitting center will be able to do this. Surely getting consistent results and regular yardage gaps between clubs is more important than shooting for some ideal stats that may go against your natural swing? GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, Tuesday at 04:47 PM, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 20, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 13, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 6, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, January 31, By Haven't registered for Team Titleist yet? The 2 that were out the most went from 'avoided' clubs to 'favourites'! i dont need that. My 54 wedge has 12 of bounce and the divots I take with it are just a big as all the rest. If so why mess with perfection. Well-regarded at home, he mixed his time in junior golf with the likes of Min Woo Lee and Curtis Luck, during which he finishedrunner-up at The Players Amateur before winning the elite Porter Cup and being part of the victorious three-man Australian team at the Eisenhower Trophy, played partly at El Chamaleon, scene of the Mayokaba events on the PGA Tour. Ping Glide wedges w/Recoil 110 Clubs are mass-produced with certain manufacturing variances in every factory. Are their ways to ensure a club wont break? If you change your AOA and go 2* steeper, both delivered loft and bounce is reduced by 2* I was 50 yards out on the 3rd hole, and was in the moguls. ENTER NOW! As club fitters, you have to find the balance between measurable results and what the customer THINKS is happening. Best of luck.Chuck. Would they still be ideal? But when I show them the results on golf radar, which can be as much as 5-to-10 yards more carry distance, they start to get it. You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. What bouncedoes is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. If you really want to improve your golf, you must define where you are losing the most strokes and start there. Or Ping Glide Stealth, 54,58 SS. In turn creating around 12 more yds. This applies to both face angle and lie. Since such a precise hit is needed to take advantage of the lower loft, the average distance each club hits the ball tends to converge at lower lofts for less-skilled players. Youll be amazed at the difference a properly fit set of irons can make to your game. The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. Titleist does recommend no more than +/- 2 degrees from factory and you should be ok. Any more and there is a risk of the stress cracks in the hosel area (primarily cosmetic). You must log in or register to reply here. I've never had a sand wedge bent. Iwas wondering if I could bend my 712 AP2 irons strong and not see any changes in the irons. Undershooter That is only if the area you are going to contact the ball moves up on the face as a result of bending, the lower portion of the face will move backwards when bent strong. With added ball speed comes more launch. I'm curious what effect bending the irons 1 or 2 degrees strong would have on the irons playability. Since loft and bounce is connected, and cant be split no matter what we do. Bending the loft is another story. May 23, 2016 at 04:54 PM. OP, which is it you are asking about.. making a club 2* stronger or increasing loft? Not going to dig any more than normal. We also see these players having gapping issues with a mid iron, not just 4 and 5 like your example, so adding loft achieves better gapping as well. Yes for that particular Ball Speed, the ball can not carry any further with a better stopping power than with those conditions. Never go more than 2 degrees when making adjustments. Bending strong 2* decreases bounce by 2* and increases offset by about .75mm. Ping G425 Max 10.5 - Ventus Black 6X or G425 LST Ventus - Black 7X, Ping G425 Max 14.5 - Ventus Blue 7X The ball came out much higher and shorter, just like you would expect from a 63*. Everyone tries to boast yardage, not consistency and accuracy. The swing is dynamic and I seriously doubt that I can hit two balls on the course exactly the same, with my body being exactly in the same position every time. If my hands are 2" farther back or forward at impact that is + or - 3*. Started Thursday at 03:24 PM, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here, Please put any questions of comments here. You dont need to bend the clubs. However, recent form has shown the real Grant, with back-to-back class efforts at Torrey Pines and Pebble Beach, where at the former he led an elite field after a first-round 64. is 2 degrees enough to mess up a club? Older irons can be bent to achieve better gaping and additional distance, but the distance increases will be very small. I was fit for my current irons and they were bent 2 degrees strong for ball flight purposes. Feb 3, 2013. I showed him all the stats on the monitor and he was in agreement but when it came to buying the actual driver he insisted on buying the 9.5 head with the TP after all the work on the launch monitor. PING Anser 4 Hybrid Learn how your comment data is processed. Callaway MD 2 58 [size=4]KBS 610 S+[/size] 2023 Acushnet Company. You might find that you ask yourself if you are better or worse than the average golfer? What affect would bending an iron 2 degrees stronger have? If the launch conditions work, what matter the number on the club? In the grand scheme of things, I would say zero effect. Contact Us It depends on several factors including as mentioned above how steep your swing is and if you are a "digger" or "picker". So going 2 strong will remove 2 degrees of bounce. Your golf ball starts off towards the left of your target (right for lefties). I created this website after hearing the same questions from my students over and over as a place where new golfers can come to learn and improve their golf game. Any knowledge on the subject would be appreciated. probably best to just change the shaft length), You stand tall over the golf ball when swinging, Your golf ball starts towards the right of your target (left for lefties), You hit the golf ball off the toe of the cub more often causing the clubface to open up and create push or slice. 2023 Acushnet Company. Working through the grades, hisdebut, five-shot victory on the KFT,was backed up with a pair of top-10s and two-top-20s, easily enough to nab his PGA Tour card for 2022/23. The drop off in make percentage from 3-6 feet and 6-9 feet is huge. By Clamp the piece of angle iron into the vise. The difference after they were set to factory lofts and lie for my swing was amazing! I'm not so much of a digger with long irons, and I thought about getting my rogue 5i bent a degree stronger and not carry a 4. Military. You can easily bend the lofts and lies to be progressively consistent from one club to the next with zero tolerance. If you have any doubt about the hand position, think of this scenario. How noticeable will the difference in trajectory be and will distances change? having a discussion with a friend and we are in disagreement. There are however a few key points that golfers need to know about changing the lie angle of their club so that they can get the most out of their club. Ping G410 LST 3 Wood Oban Tour Prototype V430 Say you start with a classic blade 7 iron with 40* static loft by how much could you reduce the loft in conjunction with a GI head design without launching the ball lower? It is amazing how much higher/lower similar irons can perform, in terms of player level. From my research into various golfer communities, it is highly likely that if you are reading this blog post you probably are playing to somewhere between a 5 and 16 handicap. Just curious for those who have personal experience with this as to the answer. This puts a 5 iron at 60* and that is way too flat for most people. Sounds like it's a long iron. A 4 iron only has 1 degree of bounce standard so will I have negative bounce when bent two degrees strong? What bounce does is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. 716 MB'S It sorts my gapping out perfectly as a result. LOWER COG IN NEW IRONS REQUIRES LESS LOFT A LOT OF THE TIME TO GET THE SAME DISTANCE OF OLDER CLUBS WITH A HIGHER COG. Idk CG specifics on those models, but I have seen similar results with I20, and G25. I haven't built them yet, i was wondering if the results are still working out a year or so later? Unless of course it's a long iron and you have a hard time elevating it in the first place. Mizuno MP59 4i-6I w/ PX 6.5, Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set. Lynx Black Cat irons were set this way, so I had to have the 5 iron bent 2*, the 6 iron 1.5, the 7 iron 1.0 and the 8 iron .5 (this was my experimental set). So the assumption is that the loft alone is what is creating more distance with the new irons. Strengthening loft also increases the offset of the head. Played a mp30 2i for most of the year as a gap from my 3i to my 3 wood. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. So it doesnt matter to me what loft a golfers 6 iron is, as long as that loft allows a golfer to launch and spin the ball in a way thats ideal for their swing. A long iron doesn't have much bounce anyway since it was made to not take a big divot. Pasted as rich text. JavaScript is disabled. The ball came out much higher and shorter, just like you would expect from a 63*. Yes, it would make the clubs a little 'longer' (with a lower ball flight), but it might not be worth . It would increase if you added loft. I did this with my current set and the results are great. That's what I did with my 4i: took out the 95 gram KBS shaft and replaced it with a 75-gram SteelFiber 780 HLS hybrid shaft. I also don't mind the little more offset I don't over cut it. I already have a udi 2i and am too cheap to buy a 1i to replace it. Bravo, As a club fitter who deals with players that purchase equipment based on what their ego tells them they need verses the facts this is a breath of fresh air! If you've got 2* upright and don't need that configuration, the heel will dig in and you'd pull the shots left (right handed). Generally bending lofts on irons unless you are tweaking them to even out a gap. If anyone thought the Honda Classic had a below-par field, dont show them this weeks Puerto Rico Open. I don't have any problems with the slight increase in offset and the lower bounce but if needed you could get someone to grind the leading edge a bit to put some bounce back. You cannot paste images directly. The market is fascinating this week, with world number 376 Andrew Novak leading the field. That said, no equipment can make up for poor fundamentals in your approach to moving a golf ball around three to four miles of real estate in the least number of strokes. Whether its changing the lie to improve accuracy or changing loft to make sure that the players clubs are progressively consistent, angle bending is a major factor in club performance. Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. More than likely you will hit the ball a bit farther as well, potentially close to 1/2 a club. There you can see exactly what it takes to be an average amateur golfer. Ball- Bridgestone Tour B X, In the grand scheme of things, I would say zero effect. If this continues well end up with 25* 7 irons and carry 6 or 7 gap wedges. Copyright 2022 MyGolfSpy I did the math on these numbers years ago when I had an early release and wondering why I could not hit the irons very far. Guess I dont get it. Upload or insert images from URL. How will that affect it though? Secondly, it also takes absolutely no athletic ability to learn how to set up in the proper posture to make a sound golf swing possible. If the club has an abundance of bounce and/or a rounded leading edge, reducing bounce by 2* might not matter. Im contemplating a set of Mizuno MP-53 irons. Calla SuperHot (Orange preferred) ||Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag. I have mine bent 2 degrees strong and cannot see any visible difference. Yeah, you can bend them strong and not notice the difference in terms of look. But there is a lot more to it than that. The 27-year-old made his way onto the top level by virtue of his performance on the Korn Ferry Tour during the combined Covid seasons, and hes doing a great job in honing his craft. I just purchased a new set of 716MB irons. An ideal Launch Angle and Spin Rate for a Ball Speed with a 6 iron of 115 MPH would be right about 15-16* and 6000 RPMs respectively. Golfers can see their spin rate drop thousands of RPMs from the rough (depending on the rough and type of lie), so being able to keep their shots in the air with enough spin to stop the ball on the green can be a huge part of helping them shoot lower scores. It will reduce the bounce of the club, but the actual effect will depend on your swing path. It is common for the golfers I fit to hit todays irons, which average about 2 degrees less loft per club, as high as their current set (if not higher). You won't notice it. Each one of those sees him rightly disputing the market number one, but Im not sure I can get involved at around 20-25-to-one with any of the favourites, even if they hold excellent claims. Newer irons, however, are designed with a loft angle that is between 18 and 22 degrees. I was thinking of bending my irons 3 degrees stronger as my ball flights were too high, but then there would be a big gap to fill between the pitching wedge and the gap wedge, and potentially more side effects of bending the clubs then. Hope this Helps! A good tune-up is a good tune-up regardless of the final loft gaps. On the opposite and gapping from AW to 9i is very wide about 16 yards about between clubs. So if you have the time, watch this cool video that I really like explaining how important lie angle is for your golf game: Having and knowing the correct lie angle of your clubs will be a game changer, I promise! Good info to pass along regarding COG. What amazes me the most is how many golfers will continually spend thousands of dollars on golf equipment but never take the initiative to change those fundamental things that will help them really improve their skills and abilities. May 23, 2016 at 04:54 PM. The so-called "standard" lie angles are 9 iron at 64* with a spacing of 1 deg between clubs. Forged titanium models are bendable as well due to their softer titanium structure. I believe that you can't really bend your irons too much but to accommodate I am thinking of bending my AP2s 1 degree stronger and AP3s 1 degree weaker so that I have better gaping. A typical #6 iron on the Tour is 31* on loft but Dynamic loft is average only 20.2 I realize it is hard to write to such a diverse audience, but Im going to give it my best with this post, and pose the basic two questions to each of you : If the answer to No. More photos from the event here. We'll walk you through the process and offer some simple tips and trick. When looking for clubs that fit your game, a professional club fitter will look at these factors down below to determine what their lie angle should be: I know this concept can be confusing, especially if you have never been fit for golf clubs before. Iron lofts can be bent up to 2 degrees stronger than standard (note: making the loft stronger will increase the offset and reduce the bounce . Generally though as you decrease theloft of a club by one degree, you reduce its bounce a degree at the same time and if you increase the loft by one degree you increase the bounce by a degree. You may have heard golfers talk about how they need to use a flatter club or that they need to change their lie angle. Thanks for everybody for your help! The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. You might as well get a distance gap before bending. Clamp the piece in so only a 1/2 inch below where you want the bend in the angle iron is flush with the top of the vise. Hi all, I was wondering if bending a club 2* strong would affect the playability of said club? Low bounce irons can become more digging prone from this change. It is a lot easier to find what lie angle you need in your golf clubs and purchase a set rather than have to individually bend each club. Im 62 and most GI clubs are too long even for me in their stock iteration with this progressive shaft lengths concept. This is a dumb question but were you fit for them? 1 for 1, loft for bounce. On GI long irons vs players irons have different width soles, are the effects of bounce differ between the two if the loft is a degree stronger? March 27, 2015 at 11:41 AM Great point I am a low ball hitter looking for more distance especially in my high irons. Ping G425 5 wood & hybrid Adams A12 19 - Fuji HB 80X, PXG 0311X 4 - HZRDUS Red 105 X And here is why. A lot of mixing and matching They know how much torque to put on the hozzel. High bounce irons absorb a change like this more easily. A golf club can be bent two degrees flat when the lie angle is lowered and the heel of the club is raised to a position that is higher than the toe of the club. All rights reserved. In between, the Aussie came home fast to be 18th in Cam Smiths Australian PGA, and although he missed the cut at his home Open, sat in the top-10 after an opening 65. It would decrease the bounce on each club, not a good idea, as well as it would cause the ball to go farther. Even with limitations, many of todays metal woods are indeed bendable, especially stainless-steel heads. Ping G425 5 wood & hybrid As far as lofts for amateurs go, I feel like long irons have to little difference between them. I dont want the extra length added to the shaft plus the x7 2i shaft I have for it is the last x7 shaft i have. Your previous content has been restored. The golfwrx wannabe touring pros will argue otherwise.. After reading the headline I was expecting a slightly different subject discussed but this topic is something Ive been wondering about myself. Bending the hosel toward or away from the face plane, opens or closes the clubs face angle. Here are common ball flight issues if you are playing the wrong lie angle: Unfortunately, club manufacturing companies sometimes use different lie angles for their clubs. More photos from the event here. Upload or insert images from URL. It, In any case one can't really compare clubs anymore with respect to asking what someone hit. This is especially true of clubs made with long hosels. Long story short, I'm about to have the 5,6,7,8 iron bent 2 degrees weaker, 9 iron 1 degree weaker, and AW 1 degree stronger. **. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Location. I know it will increase the bounce. TM TP UDi #3, MC 4-7, MB 8-P w/ Tour V S+ This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. TM TPx. Your previous content has been restored. Driver: TM 300 Mini 11.5*, Tour Blue 85 X, 44" -or- Cobra Fly-Z+, Phenom NL 60 X, 44.5", 3w:King LTD, Aldila RIP Beta 90 X -or- TM Stage 2 Tour, NV105 X examples, keep you head down, hit down on the ball, you gotta swing inside out. Albion, MI 49224 And why really do you need to do it besides being able to brag about hitting the ball farther? Todays golf ball travels farther than ever before and I dont see any need to jack up the short iron lofts. This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. Seriously. Ping G400 Max driver w/Aldila Rogue 125 Silver How accurate are the loft and lie readings of clubs straight from the manufacturer? The basic fundamentals of striking a golf ball have not changed nearly as much as golf club technology, and those fundamentals have their roots dating back a hundred years to Bobby Jones and his peers or even further. Offset degrees especially with a long iron can be a factor along with sole design. As a lifelong golfer, a student of the game and having made my living in the golf equipment industry for 40-plus years, I have made it a study to observe golfers of all skill levels as they try to figure out this crazy and very difficult game. Can you bend a metal wood? make it a "digger" per say? I highly recommend that golfers get fitted before making a large purchase on golf clubs. - Chick Evans, Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons, Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper, I will add a little to what was posted above. It flies lower and that is about it. And its one of only two elements of the golf swing that require absolutely no physical skills. FAQs And provided the hosel of the wood is long enough to allow the bending bar to fit over its length, metal woods can be bent to custom-fit a player. Yes, it would make the clubs a little 'longer' (with a lower ball flight), but it might not be worth it, especially if you already take a divot. Often, golfers think they need to make more birdies in order to score better or become a better golfer, when in reality it is minimizing the bad shots and bad holes that can have more impact. I take healthy beaver pelts with short irons, but the 2 iron is just a nip of grass. Barring physical limitations, anyone can learn to hold the club properly, and you can practice it anywhere from the sofa in front of your TV to your office while on a call. "If you have any doubt about the hand position, think of this scenario. . Worked very well IMO in terms of reducing spin You will need to check your distances with these gapped lofts. I always found it a bit strange that I could be 20-40 yards ahead of some friends yet hit the same distance with mid to short irons. St Louis, MO. In The BagDriver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65xStrong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400. Bubba might better be able to answer that question, I know you can with the mb or cbs. If you're a digger already, could make for deeper digging! The bounce will be irrelevant to begin with in that case anyway. APPLY NOW: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! But if your best place for improvement is in your approach shots or play with the long clubs, you simply must work on your fundamentals of the golf swing. I am wanting to bend my 5-PW one degree stronger and my 4 irontwo degrees stronger to fit better with my wedges and hybrid golf club. After a quick gapping review we bent 2 clubs and tried those out which gave a good base to work from. The reason this happens has to do with an irons center of gravity (COG), because when you lower an irons COG you add a lot of potential height to a golf shot. But, as lofts are strengthened the gaps become compressed on the long end and widened on the short. Usually weak, but occasionally strong, and if done intelligently where you don't hurt the clubs playability it's no big deal.

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